Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
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Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
Si certains se posent des questions sur cet objectif, voici ce que j'ai trouvé sur le forum de CardgameDB :
http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5916-official-rule-clarifications-direct-replies-ffg-only/page__st__60#entry50325
Attack Pattern Delta
"Action: If you control more Hoth objectives than your opponent, look at the top card of your deck. If it is a Vehicle unit with cost 2 or lower, put it into play. (Limit once per turn.)"
Questions :
1) Since it is not a search, if the card you look at is a Vehicle with cost 2 or lower, are you therefore obligated to put it into play?
2) Is the direction to "look at" distinct from "reveal," i.e. only you, as the player initiating the action, gets to look at the card?
3) The text says "cost of 2 or lower" as opposed to "printed cost of 2 or lower." If there is an effect that makes a given Vehicle you look at cheaper (from say printed cost 3 to adjusted cost 2), would you be able to put it into play with this Action?
4) If you look at the top card of your deck and it is a Vehicle of cost 2 or lower that is also unique (such as Rogue Two) and you have a copy of it in play already, what happens? Presumably, a second copy cannot be put into play due to the explicit rule forbidding playing or putting into play another copy of a unique card, but do you have to declare that this occured? Do you have to show the card to your opponent?
Réponses :
1) Once you trigger the effect, you are obligated to put the card into play if you are able to do so.
2) Yes, it is distinct. "Look at" is player specific, reveal shows the card to everyone.
3) If such a card existed, it could lower the card's cost. It would have to be a very corner case effect, as the card is still in your deck, and effects don't interact with out of play states unless they specifically refer to that state. So it would have to be an effect that lowered the cost of cards being put into play from your deck.
4) You would be unable to put the second copy into play, and it remains on top of your deck. You do not need to show the card to your opponent. A tourney official can verify that a card is not a speeder, or a speeder that cannot be put into play, if the need arises.
Nate French
Senior LCG Designer
Fantasy Flight Games
http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5916-official-rule-clarifications-direct-replies-ffg-only/page__st__60#entry50325
Attack Pattern Delta
"Action: If you control more Hoth objectives than your opponent, look at the top card of your deck. If it is a Vehicle unit with cost 2 or lower, put it into play. (Limit once per turn.)"
Questions :
1) Since it is not a search, if the card you look at is a Vehicle with cost 2 or lower, are you therefore obligated to put it into play?
2) Is the direction to "look at" distinct from "reveal," i.e. only you, as the player initiating the action, gets to look at the card?
3) The text says "cost of 2 or lower" as opposed to "printed cost of 2 or lower." If there is an effect that makes a given Vehicle you look at cheaper (from say printed cost 3 to adjusted cost 2), would you be able to put it into play with this Action?
4) If you look at the top card of your deck and it is a Vehicle of cost 2 or lower that is also unique (such as Rogue Two) and you have a copy of it in play already, what happens? Presumably, a second copy cannot be put into play due to the explicit rule forbidding playing or putting into play another copy of a unique card, but do you have to declare that this occured? Do you have to show the card to your opponent?
Réponses :
1) Once you trigger the effect, you are obligated to put the card into play if you are able to do so.
2) Yes, it is distinct. "Look at" is player specific, reveal shows the card to everyone.
3) If such a card existed, it could lower the card's cost. It would have to be a very corner case effect, as the card is still in your deck, and effects don't interact with out of play states unless they specifically refer to that state. So it would have to be an effect that lowered the cost of cards being put into play from your deck.
4) You would be unable to put the second copy into play, and it remains on top of your deck. You do not need to show the card to your opponent. A tourney official can verify that a card is not a speeder, or a speeder that cannot be put into play, if the need arises.
Nate French
Senior LCG Designer
Fantasy Flight Games
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Re: Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
Rien d'illogique ou de choses qui paraissent aberrantes par rapport aux derniers rulings ... ça me plait !
Yamael- Grand Bibliothécaire - Sénateur Galactique d'Amiens
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Re: Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
Effectivement, du bon sens dans des réponses.
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Re: Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
Question soulevée par un collègue sur ce sujet :
"Si deux objectifs Attack Pattern Delta sont présents, est-il possible d'utiliser à chaque tour la capacité de chacun des objectifs ?"
En jouant avec Skychapon, on l'autorisait mais avons-nous fait une erreur ?
"Si deux objectifs Attack Pattern Delta sont présents, est-il possible d'utiliser à chaque tour la capacité de chacun des objectifs ?"
En jouant avec Skychapon, on l'autorisait mais avons-nous fait une erreur ?
Dreedo- Chasseur de primes déterminé
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Re: Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
Tu peux le faire une fois pour chaque exemplaire de l'objectif en jeu
Gahid- Sénateur Galactique de Metz/Nancy
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Re: Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
C'est bien ce que je pensais mais il comprenait pas pourquoi il ne pouvait pas faire deux fois Force Choke et m'a accusé de tricher ! Bon, il m'accuse surtout parce qu'il perd mais je m'y fais...
Dans le cas de Force Choke, c'est l'effet qui est limité. Pour l'objectif, c'est l'action de l'objectif qui est limité, c'est bien ça ?
Dans le cas de Force Choke, c'est l'effet qui est limité. Pour l'objectif, c'est l'action de l'objectif qui est limité, c'est bien ça ?
Dreedo- Chasseur de primes déterminé
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Re: Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
Pour Force Choke, la limitation s'applique au nombre de cartes "Force Choke" que tu peux jouer par tour (Limit 1 per turn).
Pour APD, la limitation s'applique au nombre de fois où tu peux l'activer pour une carte par tour (Limite once per turn).
Hope it helps.
Pour APD, la limitation s'applique au nombre de fois où tu peux l'activer pour une carte par tour (Limite once per turn).
Hope it helps.
Yamael- Grand Bibliothécaire - Sénateur Galactique d'Amiens
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Re: Précisions sur Attack Pattern Delta - Force Pack 5 (The Battle of Hoth)
C'est bien ce que j'avais expliqué ! La différence entre Once et One !
merci les amis, je vais pouvoir vomir des véhicule maintenant !
merci les amis, je vais pouvoir vomir des véhicule maintenant !
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